Axis Mundi. The Welcome to Straightwide American Jesus. My name is Brad O'Nishi, faculty at the University of San Francisco here today with my co-host.

I'm Dan Miller, Professor of Religion and Social Thought at Landmark College. Good to see you, Brad.

Good to see you too. Hope you're well. It has been I will not lie. It has been one of those weeks that's lasted a year and so if I sound tired everyone or like something. Yeah, part of the reason I'm dragging down as my baby isn't really sleeping.

Part of the reason is things keep happening like Mike Johnson, the new speaker, is part of the new Apostolic

Reformation so I had to interview Matt Taylor about that. There's a huge scandal at

I-HOP KC which is a massive outpost for charismatic Christianity in the Midwest in this country so I did an emergency

episode with some of those folks and survivors and if you haven't listened to that you should it is powerful.

Anyway there's a lot happening and I am tired from doing all of that, but I'm tired in a good way because it's all really important stuff to do.

So, yeah, all right, here's what we're going to do today. We're going to talk about Robert E. Lee's statute being melted down. That's going to lead to a conversation about Trump and the 14th Amendment and Trump perhaps not being on the ballot in some states.

And those two are linked in our minds,

Robert E. Lee and Donald Trump,

and we'll explain why.

And then we'll get into some new numbers

and just perspectives that kind of reveal just how much the GOP is now the party of

MAGA and the GOP is the party of the religious right and the religious right is MAGA and

how all of those three seem to be X equals Y equals Z and why that's

terrifying and Dan has been really good about reminding me of just how

terrifying that is. All right Dan. Just an amazing piece in the New York Times last weekend about the

melting down of Robert E. Lee statue. The piece is by Aaron Thompson and it focuses on an organization called

Swords and a Plow shares led by Andrea Douglas and Jilane Schmidt and friends I

have an interview scheduled with Dr. Jilane Schmidt coming up here in about a week and a half so you'll be hearing me and conversation with her very soon.

But they started this back when everything happened in Charlottesville, Dan, if everybody remembers, 2017, Charlottesville, the famous Trump words of good people, find people on both sides.

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