From Auditor.com and UltteroTor magazine, I'm Kevin Turner and this is the Autosport Podcast.

Well, we've just had the second round of the World Endurance Championship for 2024, Imala.

And after qualifying, it looked like it was going to be a home fan's dream with Ferrari

1-2-3 on the grid, which they somehow turned into a 478, and the race was in fact won by the

Toyota of Mike Conway, Kamaukabayashi and Nick DeFries.

And joining me to explain how this happened, how Ferrari got it so wrong, or did it work

to her to get it so right, is Gary Watkins, who's only just returned from Italy.

So welcome, Gary.

I hope the flight delays weren't too traumatic.

No, they were traumatic, but yeah, it was a traumatic race, I think, especially for Ferrari. Yeah, you said,

you know, talking about Toyota, for me, Toyota didn't win it. Ferrari lost it. Maybe not,

they didn't lose it. They threw it away. It's as simple as that. So how did that happen then?

Basically, it all turned on the weather, really, didn't it? And decisions made as that. So how did that happen then? Basically it all turned on the weather really, didn't it?

And decisions made as a result of that changeable weather.

So where did Ferrari get it so wrong?

Because it's not like they blew it all at the start, was it?

It was quite a long way into the race before it all unraveled.

Yeah, this was all happening sort of just on the cusp of the four-hour market.

It's a six-hour race, say, and after the 10 hours or 1812 kilometers at Qatar, we're back to the

normal, regular six-hour races, and they pretty much dominated, although it is important to say

that at the time this whole scenario started to unfold, Ferrari wasn't actually leading.

Partly that was because James Calado had pitted during under green flag conditions where the rest of the field pitted under an FCY.

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