Hi, my name is Pete Cazaro.

I want to welcome you today to the Emotionally Healthy Leader podcast.

Our title, our theme is Weakness, God's Platform for Power.

It's a part two.

Again, Weakness, God's Platform for Power, Part 2. You'll be fine if you missed part one, but I am building a bit on last week. So there's a lot of confusion about weakness. We think of weakness in our culture, we think of someone who's wimpy, someone who's not a much backbone, not a leader, no initiative, kind of a dormant,, more of a birdwatching type of person, not that

birdwashing is bad. And we think of power, even in our Christian context, again, depending on

your stream or tradition within a Christian church, we think of power, we think of people with size

and numbers, for example. You have lots of people, you're having high impact, high influence. You've got an impressive, you know, ministry, size, buildings, budgets. I know in my early days, I would have done anything. Just I would do anything. I was working, you know, super hard and way beyond my limits. Because I wanted power. I wanted size, influence for Jesus.

And then we think of also power. We think of knowledge. I went to seminary because I wanted to

know more. I wanted to know the original languages and history. And I don't want to be shut down

by people who had a lot of other knowledge, you know, about God.

And I'm reading and reading and reading just, you know, not to scripture, but books,

because I wanted, I wanted knowledge.

And it was a, it was a way of, it was a way of getting power.

Not that knowledge is bad.

Of course, anointing, revelations, highly visible gifts, especially those with, you know, signs and wonders and

healings and prophetic gifts, visions and dreams, driving out demons, great power gifts,

the ability to hear God, that was power.

And, you know, to give a prophetic word, again, it's all good.

But that was, again, a way we measure power

in our churches, visible manifestations. It can be experiences as well. I remember going to some

significant, powerful meetings, revival-type meetings, where God's presence was so tangible. And there

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