Welcome back to We Watch the Chosen so you don't have to, presented by You Have

Permission, the podcast that aims to take both Christianity and the modern world of

science and culture very seriously. My name's Dan Koch. I'm a licensed therapist and a

post-evangelical, liberal Protestant.

Jeff, how do you describe yourself these days?

Well, I think last time I might have described myself as an Orthodox mystic, really finding

myself agreeing with probably far too much of Logos Bible Church's statements of faith.

Referring to last episode, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, referring to last time I was on.

But, yeah, no, I think I'm a, you know, I'm part of a Protestant evangelical church.

I grew up in the church, as we talked about last time.

I'm currently a worship leader, but I'm still the type of person that is, you know, loves to discuss and loves to think about the vastness of what we're

talking about and the mystery of what we're talking about, but also still holding firm to, you know,

what I consider to be primary elements of, you know, the Christian faith, and happy to discuss

the secondary and tertiary things.

I love that. Today, we are continuing our romp, our tromping through The Chosen,

the television show depicting the life of Jesus and his disciples. And today we're covering

season one, episodes two and three of the the chosen. After a quick game that we're

going to play, I will recap the plot. And then we're going to get into all manner of reactions

and tangents, including the quality of writing on the show, miracle workers, family dynamics,

and romantic norms in the first century, a neurodivergent Matthew, radical conversion experiences,

PTSD, aesthetics and religion, Jesus being good with kids, and plenty more. There's a lot to

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