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Cannonball with Wesley Morris

We Seek “Authentic” BBQ

Cannonball with Wesley Morris

The New York Times

News Commentary, Society & Culture, News, Arts

4.89.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 July 2017

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

It’s barbecue season! But let’s be clear: We aren’t talking about throwing burgers and veggies on a grill. We’re talking about the rich culinary tradition of slow-cooking meat over a dirt pit, a cuisine cultivated by enslaved Africans in the American South. We both live in Brooklyn, where barbecue is gentrifying as quickly as our neighborhoods. To talk through our feelings, we invited two Southern food experts on the show: John Thomas Edge Jr., the author of “The Potlikker Papers,” and Nicole Taylor, a chef and the author of “The Up South Cookbook.” They help us remember the central role that African-Americans played (and continue to play) in establishing one of our country’s most signature styles of eating. Then we venture to a Carolina-style pit in the middle of Bushwick. It's a truly American tale.

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0:00.0

I'm Jenna Wortham.

0:01.2

I'm Wesley Morris.

0:02.4

We're two culture writers at the New York Times.

0:05.3

I'm mostly right about how humans relate to technology.

0:08.4

And I'm mostly right about how movies and popular culture relate to humans.

0:11.8

Nice.

0:12.8

This is still processing.

0:24.8

I'm hungry.

0:25.7

I know I was going to say like, what's on your mind this week,

0:28.7

but I can hear your stomach growling from here.

0:30.4

I'm so hungry to think.

0:32.4

Fourth of July has happened.

0:34.0

I have to admit something.

0:35.4

I had no good barbecue.

0:37.8

What?

0:38.3

I ate some grilled meats.

0:39.3

You went to a cookout.

0:40.3

I went to a cookout.

0:41.1

Let's say.

0:41.5

OK.

0:42.2

But I also feel like you and I have had a,

0:45.0

we've undergone together the problem of eating barbecue in New York City.

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