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We saved gray whales from extinction. Why are so many dying again?

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🗓️ 11 March 2026

⏱️ 13 minutes

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In 1999 hundreds of gray whales washed up along the west coast of North America. More in 2000. They lost an estimated 25% of their population. But then the whale population recovered and people moved on. Until it happened again in 2019. And 2020, and 2021. It’s still happening today. Host Regina G. Barber dives into this mystery with marine ecologist Joshua Stewart, who explains how scientists like himself solved it – and the tough questions that came up along the way. 

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0:00.0

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0:06.3

Consider the gray whale.

0:08.5

Humans killed around 3 million whales in a period of like 70 years or so.

0:15.7

In some species like the gray whale, certain populations drop to just 5% of their historic numbers.

0:22.7

And we stopped hunting them pretty much because we'd killed so many of them that it was no longer

0:27.8

economically viable to keep hunting them. That's Joshua Stewart, a marine ecologist at

0:33.2

Oregon State University. And he says along the way, the public took notice after a biologist

0:39.2

and conservationist named Roger Payne put whale songs on a vinyl record.

0:48.5

And folks said, wow, how could we possibly be killing these animals? We have to stop this.

0:57.9

Yeah. could we possibly be killing these animals? We have to stop this. So that was in the 70s. That was sort of the birth of the modern conservation movement.

1:03.7

In the 1980s, the international moratorium on whaling went into effect, and numbers started to climb.

1:12.9

All the way through 1994,

1:18.5

when numbers rebounded so much that the gray whale was officially removed from the endangered species list. But then 1999 happened. And then hundreds of whales start washing up dead on beaches all along the west coast of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.

1:32.3

The same thing happens the next year in 2000. Hundreds more wash up dead.

1:36.5

And these are just the whales that people see dead on the beach.

1:40.7

It doesn't include the ones that die at sea during their more than 10,000-mile round-trip

1:45.7

migration to the Arctic.

1:47.7

This is where they eat enough to last them the entire year.

1:50.6

So Josh says, scientists estimated thousands of whales died, accounting for about a quarter

1:56.3

of the population.

1:58.3

Everybody's wondering what caused this.

2:00.6

We thought they were doing so well.

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