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We have breaking news out of Utah.

Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, big advocate to President Donald Trump.

A fellow podcaster was assassinated, who was shot and killed at Utah Valley University in

Orum, Utah a couple hours ago. Obviously, we'll have

more as week goes on. But Sarah, I'm wondering what your initial thoughts are on this.

You know, it's been a very hard time in our politics because the, I think what many of us feel

is the existential nature of it, it leads to us,

everybody feeling like really intense about the moment.

But the idea that people are being shot and killed for their political beliefs, for being

commentators, you know, it takes it to a different place,

like a much darker place, a place that feels like rather than being people who can talk

and fight and, you know, are all kind of part of the same country trying to figure out, you know,

the best way that, that we know how, which is through like debate and argument and, you know,

and, you know, and tough politics. But whenever people are being killed over these things,

shot at, whether it's Gabby Giffords,

whether it's Charlie Kirk, whether you agree with them or disagree with them, it means that we begin to live in a country where it's not, doesn't feel as safe for people to take strong

political positions, to have those conversations. And I think that that creates a devastating impact on our discourse.

And, you know, I, like Charlie Kirk, we've argued with him on the show.

He's like, put pictures of us or video of us on his show.

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