Welcome to Ken A Aleta. He is a writer, a best-selling writer, a columnist, and a writer for the New Yorker.

He's written 13 best-selling books, among them Googled, fall of the house of layman and

Google actually the mean his books I would say have a theme about how we got to where we are in society looking back at history and saying what does that mean for the future.

So Ken, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for having me.

So we first met at the Harvey Weinstein trial which and I remember I just wanted to talk to you about one particular aspect of it, which is about journalism and not particularly about the trial.

After, we all got up at 4 a.m. in the morning or 5 a.m. in the morning.

Yes.

To line up and a number of people hired interns or young journalists to take their place in the line so they could arrive later.

You were one of those journalists.

And by the way, just to say there's nothing wrong with doing that.

Zero.

We'd have done it if we had the money.

If we had the money, yes.

Because look, when you get up at 4 a.m. in the morning and stand in the cold in New York,

you're not going to perform as well. You're not going to perform as well. You're not going to be

for perform as well. It saps your energy. You mean we were getting really tired at midday. It was just becoming too much.

But anyway, this young journalist then went to the Columbia.

The young journalist who worked for Ken O'Lera.

Went to the Columbia Journalism Review complaining,

and you got many complaints about that you were somehow using a

journalist in this way and and for us as journalists remembering what it was how difficult it was to break into journalism back in the day.

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