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... Hello and welcome to seeing read, a true crime podcast, I'm Mark.

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because Bethan doesn't want to talk to me today and I've already had the finger.

Considering you got a middle finger up because you were rude to me first, I think everyone

will be on my side.

Oh, okay.

Right, this is actually a really serious episode.

Obviously, they always are, but this is a really serious episode.

So I need to wipe that smile off my face. You do. Yeah. So, let's commence. Because I think people can

hear, can't they? If you're laughing about something and then you start talking about something

serious, but you've got a bit of a smile still, I feel like people can really hear that. And I've known of podcasts before where I feel like the person isn't taking something seriously and I don't really like that. I don't know if you're the same. I wonder which one you could possibly mean. Nothing in particular, nothing specific. Yes, Bethan, it is. It is. Just in general, I think that that's valid. So, yeah. Okay.

Right then. So we talk a lot about mental health these days, about the importance of reaching out, of checking in, or of speaking up when things feel too heavy to carry alone. However, behind those good intentions lies a truth that's far harder

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