get it the virtue. So interesting debate I see online and I think Mo covers it in his

podcast this week, which is called in the moment also like when people pass away that haven't

shown a whole bunch of respect for other people. Why are you supposed to respect them when

they pass away or they're going through tough times? I got that right.

Pretty much for the most part and Katie, myself and Romeo, like you said, we, uh, we voiced

our opinions on why we don't feel as if it's, um, accurate or even right for people to be

saying some of the things that they're saying about Kevin Samuels and it was really Cairo

who wanted to come in and debate us and give us his take on the other side, which I was

curious as to what that was being that he listened to the episode in full and still felt

like we missed something.

Well, um, I mean, Katie and just Romeo, where did you guys stand on? Cause I'm guessing

you were talking about this Kevin Samuels dude that at least in life was but really critical

of black women mostly, right? What's he? That's the problem. That's one of the narratives

that have been created about him, but it's not fully accurate because he was critical

of black men and black women just the same. It's just that the clips tended to be of women

of what he was saying to women, but he really kept that energy with both parties. What

did you guys think on the podcast? So for me, I guess you could tell me to listen to

the podcast.

I don't really help. There you go. No, um, I didn't really care like everything that came

out about this dude. Yes, he said some terrible things about women, but I never like feed

it into what he said. So I never put my energy into disliking him. I was like, okay, he's

just another guy who has terrible views on women. All right. It is what it is. So when

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