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Three minutes after at 10 is the time. A very good morning indeed to you.

And what a horrible morning it is. I don't know what to do. I don't often admit that to you.

And if I do it, sometimes a little bit tongue in cheek, because get to decide anyway and you kind of have to go along with it.

It's almost impossible to pick the worst bit of the murder of Henry Novak but I think

probably the police officer telling him as he revealed, stated that he'd been stabbed. I don't think so, mate.

It's probably the most unbearable element of all of it.

And those police officers already under investigation by the relevant authorities.

And the problem is that where you see tragedy and horror and where you feel disgust and heartbreak,

other people see opportunity and feel an almost sort of gleeful relish at the prospect of provoking more violent responses,

just as the same people did after the murders in Southport,

having helped spread profoundly and entirely untrue lies about the murderer in that case.

And, of course, when people, as a consequence of those lies, took to the streets to attack entirely

innocent people and took to social media to call for pogroms in profoundly illegal ways.

They have been lauded and defended by precisely the sort of people who woke up this morning and saw not tragedy but opportunity.

And, of course, some people lack the conscience to recognize that and will instead offer platforms and amplifications of

calls for, I mean, so perilously close, so vanishingly close to violence that you may not need

have bothered with the euphemisms, respond with cold, hard rage, said Nigel Farage.

What does that mean?

If not, do what you did after the Southport killings when I was responsible for spreading deep and racist lives.

And I don't want to talk about that.

I don't want to talk about that.

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