"We Can't Friend Our Way Out of White Supremacy" with Some of My Best Friends Are

School Colors

Brooklyn Deep

Politics, Education, Government, News

5 • 656 Ratings

🗓️ 8 February 2023

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

Here’s a preview of another podcast, Some of My Best Friends Are, from Pushkin Industries. Harvard professor Khalil Gibran Muhammad and journalist Ben Austen are friends, one Black and one white, who grew up together on the South Side of Chicago. On Some of My Best Friends Are, Khalil and Ben, along with their guests, have critical conversations that are at once personal, political, and playful, about the absurdities and intricacies of race in America. In this preview, Khalil and Ben talk with author Saladin Ambar about his new book, Stars and Shadows: The Politics of Interracial Friendship from Jefferson to Obama. Through famous bonds ranging from Ella Fitzgerald and Marilyn Monroe, to Barack Obama and Joe Biden, they explore the dynamics, benefits, and difficulties of cultivating interracial friendships. Hear more from Some of My Best Friends Are at https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/sbfs2?sid=colors.

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0:00.0	Hey there, it's Max. Today I'm excited to change things up and bring you a preview of another podcast we think you'll like if you like school colors.
0:09.2	It's called Some of My Best Friends Are.
0:12.7	Harvard professor Khalil Gibran Mohammed and journalist Ben Austin are friends, one black and one white, who grew up together on the south side of Chicago.
0:21.8	On Some of my best friends are, Khalil and Ben have critical conversations that are at once
0:26.5	personal, political, and playful about the absurdities and intricacies of race in America.
0:32.8	In this clip, Khalil and Ben are joined by Saladin Ambar, author of Stars and Shadows,
0:38.4	the politics of interracial friendship from Jefferson to Obama.
0:42.0	Fun fact, he is also the author of a biography of former New York Governor Mario Cuomo,
0:46.9	who you might remember played an important role in the Battle of Forest Hills in season
0:50.7	two of school colors.
0:52.9	Khalil, Ben, and Saladin discussed the dynamics, benefits, and difficulties
0:56.4	of cultivating interracial friendships,
0:58.8	from the Silver Screen to the Oval Office
1:00.6	to our everyday lives.
1:04.4	Well, y'all actually read the book.
1:06.2	I appreciate that.
1:07.2	We don't play. We don't play here.
1:08.4	You are on some of my best friends' arms.
1:10.4	My goodness. Y'all, y'all not faking me.
1:15.9	I'm Khalil Gibran Mohammed. And I'm Ben Austin. We're two best friends. One black. One white.
1:22.9	I'm a historian. And I'm a journalist. And this is some of my best friends are. Some of my best friends are
1:29.2	dot, dot, dot. In this show, we wrestle with the challenges and the absurdities of a deeply
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