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Why It Matters

We Are in a New Era of Warfare

Why It Matters

Council on Foreign Relations

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4.2876 Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

This episode explores how the emergence of drone warfare and innovation under fire is transforming power and forcing nations to rethink strategy and military capacity.   Host: Gabrielle Sierra, Director of Podcasting, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)   Guests: Michael C. Horowitz, Senior Fellow for Technology and Innovation, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)   Erin D. Dumbacher, Stanton Nuclear Security Senior Fellow, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)   We discuss: How Ukraine is redefining modern warfare with cheap, scalable drone technology that can take down multimillion-dollar weapons. As Michael Horowitz puts it: “We’ve entered the era of precise mass in war.” How Ukraine became a real-world testing ground for autonomous weapons and AI-driven combat systems. Why small countries can now challenge military superpowers using precision strike at scale. How 70% of battlefield casualties in Ukraine are now linked to drone warfare, not traditional weapons. How Silicon Valley quietly became a key player in the war, from Starlink to AI intelligence and communication tools. How Russia is adapting just as quickly, scaling drone production and learning in real time. What the U.S. risks if it fails to keep up with rapid battlefield innovation and production speed.   Read More:   Securing Ukraine’s Future, CFR   Michael C. Horowitz and Lauren Kahn, “Military AI Adoption Is Outpacing Global Cooperation,” CFR.org    Michael Horowitz, “What Drones Can—and Cannot—Do on the Battlefield,” Foreign Affairs Erin D. Dumbacher, “Nukes Without Limits? A New Era After the End of New START,” CFR.org   Want to keep up with Why It Matters? Sign up to receive an email alert when new episodes drop.   Why It Matters is a production of the Council on Foreign Relations. The opinions expressed on the show are solely those of the host and guests, not of the Council, which takes no institutional positions on matters of policy.

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0:00.0

Ukraine revealed that we have entered the era of mass and warfare, where millions of drones fly across the battlefield for one-way strike purposes, for sensing purposes, and it is fundamentally transforming the way that countries fight.

0:18.0

Mass is back.

0:20.0

There's a lot of lessons to be learned from what the Ukrainians have been able to accomplish

0:25.4

on the battlefield for U.S. defense policy, U.S. defense planning, and the defense contracting

0:31.9

world. Like what actually the industrial base in the United States might need to look like if we were to ever fight as modern a war as the Ukrainians are fighting right now.

0:44.0

The war in Ukraine has set a new precedent for modern conflicts.

0:49.2

Four years in, it's become a testing ground for the next era of warfare, in which low-cost drones can neutralize

0:56.2

multi-million dollar military assets, and where the traditional front line has been blurred.

1:02.2

The war in Ukraine has also shown us that autonomous weapons will play a starring role in future

1:08.0

conflicts, and that states must now reinvent their response to national

1:12.6

security threats. The particularly brutal winter approaching the four-year anniversary has been

1:18.3

marked by swarms of Russian drone strikes and missile barrages, with authorities issuing repeated

1:23.9

air raid warnings. Cities across Ukraine have endured waves of attacks, targeting energy

1:29.2

networks and homes, underscoring how drone warfare has brought the front lines into everyday civilian

1:35.1

life. In this four-episode miniseries, we're going to examine the war in Ukraine as a blueprint

1:40.7

for modern warfare, exploring how technology, innovation on the battlefield,

1:45.8

and new alliances are redefining the nature of conflict.

1:50.3

I'm Gabrielle Sierra, and this is why it matters.

1:53.7

Today, how the conflict in Ukraine

1:56.3

has launched the world into the next era of warfare. We've entered the era of war.

2:12.6

We've entered the era of precise mass in war,

2:15.6

and Ukraine is the best illustration of that trend. What it means

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