Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissen. And this is a show for you, if you want, honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is a psychotherapist. Dr. Lee is my auntie. Welcome to Trigonometry.

Thank you so much. It's so good to have you on the show. For anyone who isn't familiar with you or your work, I'll just say that we came across you first,

watching David Fuller's documentary, A Glitch in the Matrix, in which he asked you a lot about the Kathy Newman interview with Jordan Peterson.

And we just thought, wow, what an interesting perspective would really need to get into some of this.

But beyond that, for anyone who's not familiar with you or your work, tell everybody, who are you? How are you where you are?

What has been the journey that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

Oh, wow, that's a big question. Yeah, I think maybe around 10, 12 years ago, I was at the height of my academic career.

And I'd been working really, really hard to get to where I was. And I kind of achieved everything I could in my field.

And I was mid 30s and I realized, what am I doing? I'm not happy. I don't know who I am as a woman. I don't know who's inside my body.

I don't know my sexuality. I don't know my spirituality. I don't know all the things that I kind of had to compromise in order to perform in academia.

So that sent me on a really big journey into going to the deeper sides of mystical sides of life.

And I discovered psychospiritual psychotherapy, which I studied as psychosynthesis.

And I started to become a psychotherapist in that area.

And it was a deep personal and spiritual journey that really took me into who am I as a human being and why am I here?

And beginning to understand the deep experience of being a woman, the deep experience of being a mother,

the deep experience of having a body and what does that mean?

And that kind of took me into what is most meaningful in life experience.

This is really what I've been investigating ever since in myself and in the clients that I work with now.

And the people that I train is how can we go deep in our human experience as men, as women in these bodies and as everything in between,

wherever we find ourselves in this human experience, what does it mean?

So I think I started with that curiosity when I came out of my academic mind, what else is here?

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