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Season C's apply booked today at hmhair.uk Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm

Frances Foster. I'm Constantine Kissen and this is a show for you if you want

honest conversations with fascinating people. Our brilliant guest today is a

social psychologist Dr. Dean of Macmillan. Welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you.

Thank you for having me on. It's a great pleasure to have you on. Listen for

anyone who's not familiar with you. A lot of people will be but some won't be.

Who are you? How are you? Where you are? What has been the journey that leads you

through life sitting here talking to us? Well, I studied social psychology at

Stanford University and followed by working in the field and examining the

world through that lens, which is going to be very relevant to the

conversation we're going to have today. Yes, it is. You are originally from the

United States. You live in Australia now. You've worked in a few different

disciplines. You've worked with abuse victims. Tell us a little bit about that

maybe before we get into some of the other stuff. Well, I worked. I still do work

in domestic violence. I have one of the only prevention programs available in

the world. It's called unmasking the abuser. And I actually teach the

tactics used by abusers during the earliest grooming phases of the

relationship. And because of COVID and the strict restrictions here in Melbourne

during that time, I decided to have a podcast where I took all of my

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