Was Abraham Lincoln Gay . . . And Should We Care?
Critics at Large | The New Yorker
The New Yorker
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🗓️ 12 September 2024
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
The writer Carl Sandburg, in his 1926 biography of Abraham Lincoln, made a provocative claim—that the President’s relationship with the Kentucky state representative Joshua Speed held “streaks of lavender.” The insinuation fuelled a debate that has continued ever since: Was Lincoln gay? On this episode of Critics at Large, Vinson Cunningham, Naomi Fry, and Alexandra Schwartz discuss a new documentary that tries to settle the question. “Lover of Men: The Untold History of Abraham Lincoln” is part of a growing body of work that looks at the past through the lens of identity—a process that can reveal hidden truths or involve a deliberate departure from the facts. The hosts consider other distinctly modern takes on U.S. history, including the farcical Broadway sensation “Oh, Mary!,” which depicts Mary Todd Lincoln as a failed cabaret star and her husband as a neurotic closet case, and Lin-Manuel Miranda’s smash hit “Hamilton,” which reimagines the Founding Fathers as people of color. In the end, the way we locate ourselves in the past is inextricable from the culture wars of today. “It is a political necessity for every generation to be, like, No, this is what the past was like,” Cunningham says. “It points to a struggle that we’re having right now to redefine, What is America?”
Read, watch, and listen with the critics:
“Lover of Men: The Untold History of Abraham Lincoln” (2024)
“Abraham Lincoln: The Prairie Years & The War Years,” by Carl Sandburg
Cole Escola’s “Oh, Mary!”
Lin-Manuel Miranda’s “Hamilton”
“The Celluloid Closet” (1995)
“Hidden Figures” (2016)
“I’m Coming Out,” by Diana Ross
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Critics at Large, a podcast from The New Yorker. |
| 0:07.6 | I'm Alex Schwartz. |
| 0:08.8 | I'm Nomi Fry. |
| 0:09.8 | And I'm Vincent Cunningham. |
| 0:13.5 | Each week on this show, we make sense of what's happening in the culture right now and how we got here. |
| 0:19.3 | Hello. |
| 0:20.1 | Hi. |
| 0:20.5 | Well, hello to you. |
| 0:21.5 | How you doing? |
| 0:23.4 | Do you guys know, just like incidentally, do you know what's always happening in the culture right now? |
| 0:28.8 | What? |
| 0:29.7 | Abraham Lincoln. |
| 0:30.6 | He's always happening. |
| 0:31.5 | Honest Abe, the great emancipator, the 16th president. |
| 0:35.2 | He never goes out of style, especially when it comes to popular art. |
| 0:39.5 | He's been the subject of endless portrayals in film and novels, biographies, and so many of them are like obsessed, not just with what this man did, free the slaves, win the Civil War. |
| 0:53.5 | Ever hear of it? |
| 0:54.7 | Ever hear of it? |
| 0:55.6 | But with who he was. |
| 0:58.9 | And along those lines, today we're talking about a new documentary that addresses a part of Lincoln's identity that has been hotly debated for almost a century, especially, I'd say, like, the last 20 years. |
| 1:12.6 | The documentary is called, and this gives you a sense of what it's about, lover of men. |
| 1:17.8 | And it's in theaters right now. |
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