Sally Rooney’s Beautiful Deceptions
Critics at Large | The New Yorker
The New Yorker
4.4 • 679 Ratings
🗓️ 19 September 2024
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Summary
Almost immediately after the publication of Sally Rooney’s “Normal People,” in 2018, Rooney-mania hit a fever pitch. Her work struck a cord among a generation of readers who responded to evocative descriptions of young people’s lives and relationships. Before long, Rooney had—somewhat reluctantly—been dubbed “the first great millennial author.” On this episode of Critics at Large, Vinson Cunningham, Naomi Fry, and Alexandra Schwartz discuss “Intermezzo,” Rooney’s hotly anticipated fourth novel, which explores the dynamic between two brothers grieving the death of their father. The book is a sadder, more mature read than Rooney’s fans may have come to expect, but it retains her characteristic flair for making consciousness itself into a bingeable experience. “That is the great achievement of the realist novel for me,” Fry says. “The fact that Rooney is making this enjoyable for a new generation—amazing. Maybe it’s a conservative impulse, but there’s something reassuring for me about that.”
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“Normal People,” by Sally Rooney
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“Intermezzo,” by Sally Rooney
“Those Winter Sundays,” by Robert Hayden
William Shakespeare’s “Hamlet”
“Normal Novels,” by Becca Rothfeld (The Point)
“The Corrections,” by Jonathan Franzen
“My Struggle,” by Karl Ove Knausgaard
The Neapolitan novels, by Elena Ferrante
“Sally Rooney on the Hell of Fame,” by Emma Brockes (The Guardian)
“A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man,” by James Joyce
The Harry Potter novels, by J. K. Rowling
“Why Bother?” by Jonathan Franzen (Harper’s Magazine)
“Middlemarch,” by George Eliot
“Daniel Deronda,” by George Eliot
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| 0:00.0 | Okay, it's the Rooney versus Bingo. |
| 0:03.6 | We each have a grid, a four by four grid. |
| 0:05.8 | They contain terms such as sweaters, debates about Marxism, being inappropriately introverted in a social setting. |
| 0:14.4 | These are all things that can be found in Sally Rooney's novel. |
| 0:18.3 | And how? |
| 0:19.0 | And how. |
| 0:19.8 | And when you see a term on your sheet, you exit out. Oh, I see. Okay. I thought now I'm getting it. There's no trivia aspect to this. We're not like. I see. You're not required to know anything. There's no intellectual. Oh, I see. I see. I know quite a lot. The first square is age gap relationship. Mark it off, folks. |
| 0:38.2 | Here it is. |
| 0:39.3 | I mean, it's been right there from conversations with friends. |
| 0:42.3 | First Talley-Roney book 2017, and it is back in a big way with Intermezzo. |
| 0:46.9 | Yeah, in fact, you could call it an organizing theme. |
| 0:50.6 | All right. |
| 0:51.0 | We're ready for the next square. |
| 0:53.2 | Nerd is a haughty. |
| 0:54.9 | Surprise. |
| 0:57.0 | Yep. |
| 0:57.8 | Another huge Sally Runnyism, I mean. |
| 1:00.7 | Yeah. |
| 1:01.8 | Well, so, okay. |
| 1:03.1 | This is like, because, like, the big difference between, they're all, like, very intelligent and very, like, interested in things. |
| 1:08.6 | But, like, classic nerd, I feel like Ivan really is the first one. Honey, he has braces. Whereas the other ones are like, oh, like, |
| 1:15.5 | kind of dashing, sparkling, intelligent people with great repartee. But Ivan is a haughty. |
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