Ted Audio Collective.

Audio Collective.

Hey listener, a quick favor.

We are conducting an audience survey and we'd be really grateful if you could take just a few minutes to respond.

Please visit survey.

PRX.org slash design matters to take the survey today.

That's survey.

PRX.org.

slash design matters.

Thanks.

You know, my father, after reading the book,

said, you know, Warren, we never knew that you wanted to be a girl.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman. For 15 years, Debbie Millman has been

talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got

to be who they are and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Warren Laird talks about the intersections between images and letters and

about the future of books.

You know, I wouldn't want every book to be a film,

but I'm interested in these hybrid possibilities.

Here's Debbie, first with a word from our sponsors.

Generous support for design matters is provided by AC hotels and Allbirds.

I love to travel, whether it is for pleasure or business or design conferences or speaking engagements,

...