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My mother and I were so cod dependent, so connected to each other,

so hyper connected to each other that when we were apart and then we came back together

we would have that we both would have that dopamine rush. This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 15 years,

years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other

creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are,

and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Alyssa Altman talks about the book she wrote about her

difficult relationship with her mother. My mother has narcissistic

personality disorder she believes that all publicity is good publicity.

Here's Debbie, first with a word from our sponsors.

Generous support for design matters is provided by AC hotels and Alberts.

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