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The Owen Jones Podcast

WAR With Venezuela Looms? w./ Miguel Tinker Salas

The Owen Jones Podcast

Owen Jones

Politics, Government, News & Politics, News

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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0:00.0

Is a US war with Venezuela inevitable? We all saw the dramatic seizure of an oil tanker.

0:07.8

We've heard the pretext that Donald Trump et al have used, which is focused on the question

0:14.3

of drugs. Is that really what's going on here? His regime change on the horizon from

0:20.6

an administration which, let's not forget,

0:23.5

promised to put an end to endless wars.

0:27.5

What could the consequences be?

0:29.6

Well, there's no better person to speak to, the Miguel Ting Casillas, who is a very

0:33.5

Zeroyan in his story, Professor Emeritus at Promoted College at Claremont, California,

0:37.8

and also a residential fellow at the Quincy Institute, which very much focus on questions

0:42.0

of, I guess, diplomacy and looking for peace, peaceful resolutions in a world of terrible conflict.

0:49.5

It's great to speak to you. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. I just want to start actually.

0:56.6

I mean, first of all, we'll talk about, you know, what could actually happen next.

1:01.6

What in terms of the pretext that's being talked about, and that's the question of drugs.

1:08.2

And, you know, I mean, obviously Donald Trump spoke a lot all the way true about having a poorest border, drugs coming over, fentanyl, all the rest of drugs. And, you know, I mean, obviously Donald Trump spoke a lot all the way through about having

1:11.9

a poorest border, drugs coming over, fentanyl, all the rest of it.

1:15.5

What did you make of that whole pretext, I guess?

1:20.0

Well, the reality is that Venezuela is not a producer of drugs.

1:24.6

There is no fentanyl exported from Venezuela. It doesn't not have the apparatus. It

1:30.1

doesn't not have the precursor chemicals. Most fentanyl is produced in Mexico or in the U.S. Southwest.

1:37.2

The reality is that even the American intelligence branches have all stated that there is no

1:43.0

fentanyl and that less than 7% of the cocaine

1:46.0

coming into the U.S. is traffic through Venezuela originating elsewhere in Colombia, Ecuador,

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