Yeah, last time we talked.

Last time we did this, I was in your living room.

But also the first time we had, the first time we, we

chatted was over Skype and stuff.

So that was the first time.

And then I was like, hey, hey you drew a podcast we should do a

podcast yeah I completely forgot about that just kidding.

Yeah.

So now you're on my podcast or actually it's technically our

podcast the curtains have been you know moved back and we can see that

Cina Romani is actually the Oz controlling everything.

The mystical podcaster. Yeah, but yeah, no this is a good, this is going to be a good episode.

Unfortunately, it has to do, like we, like the plan was to have you on here, you know,

sometime in the future to talk about your podcast and

the work that you do with, you know, the East is a

podcast, but, you know, war drums never stop beating in the United States.

And here we are.

Yeah, right?

And it's just, and it's been this,

I made this joke today that I feel like the angel of history,

you know, you're just watching this calamity take place constantly

over and over again and like, you know, all you can do is look with your eyes wide open

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