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Lost Debate

War Will Never Be the Same

Lost Debate

The Branch

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.6607 Ratings

🗓️ 20 August 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Ravi sits down with legendary war correspondent Dexter Filkins for a closer look into how drones and AI are transforming modern warfare. They explore Dexter’s recent piece in The New Yorker, Is the U.S. Ready for the Next War?, and his on-the-ground reporting in Ukraine, where $500 kamikaze drones are inflicting massive damage on Russian forces and gamified drone warfare is reshaping combat strategy. The conversation then turns to the implications for U.S. military readiness, China’s dominance in the defense supply chain, and the rise of autonomous weaponry. Finally, they examine Israel’s use of AI in Gaza and what it reveals about the moral cost of algorithmic war. -- Leave us a voicemail with your thoughts on the show! 201-305-0084⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Ravi at @RaviMGupta Notes from this episode are also available on Substack: https://thelostdebate.substack.com/ Follow The Branch at @thebranchmedia Listen to more episodes of Lost Debate on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lost-debate/id1591300785 Listen to more episodes of Lost Debate on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7xR9pch9DrQDiZfGB5oF0F

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to The Lost Debate, a show for political eclectics.

0:04.0

I'm Robbie Gupta and today I'm talking to Dexter Filkins, who's a staff writer at The New Yorker and author of The Forever War, which won a national book Critics Circle Award.

0:13.5

Filkins wrote a piece recently in The New Yorker that was riveting to say the least.

0:18.3

It's called Is the U.S. ready for the next war? And Dexter

0:21.8

and I talk all about the changing nature of war, drone warfare, artificial intelligence,

0:27.4

and how perhaps superpowers like the United States may be falling behind in a way that

0:33.6

should be very alarming for all of us. We also talk about the Ukraine War and Israel, Gaza,

0:38.8

and how those two theaters of war are showing us a lot about what the future of warfare looks like.

0:45.4

But before we get there, two big announcements. One is, if you haven't subscribed yet to where

0:49.1

the schools went, you should go and do that. We dropped the first episode last week on our feed,

0:53.9

and it's getting tons of acclaim. We shot to near the top of the charts of Apple's education podcasts. We got recognition from them for our trailer as a new and noteworthy show. It's on the top of the charts for Spotify's government podcasts. And I'm getting a lot of great feedback from people in New Orleans, both people who are critics and champions of the reforms that we saw there. And as part of this series, you know, I went down to New Orleans for a long time and interviewed over 50 people. I think it's probably over 60 at this point, all about everything that's happened since Katrina. And we're nearing that 20 years since Hurricane Katrina, which is coming up in a few weeks.

1:29.5

And this is your definitive story about what happened there with the schools, and you're going to

1:34.0

learn a lot, even if you're not from New Orleans. I mean, in some ways, especially if you're not

1:37.6

from New Orleans, because the people there are much closer to this story. One other thing is that I've

1:42.2

launched a substack to talk about things kind of outside

1:45.1

of politics and policies. So if you go to real Ravi Gupta at substack.com, I wrote a piece there

1:51.3

last week all about what I call the conscientiousness crisis, which is some data from the

1:56.3

financial times, all about some troubling trends amongst our young people. And then over the

2:00.6

weekend, I dropped

2:01.2

an article about my favorite scientific concept called entropy and how that you can use the

2:07.3

sort of your knowledge of entropy and that concept to help you manage your days better and get more

2:12.7

done. So you can check both of those things out. It's a free substack. So just go to real Ravi Gupta.substack.com.

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