Welcome to The Lost Debate, a show for political eclectics. I'm Ravi Gupta. And in this episode, I interview two titans of education policy and practice. One of those is Nick Gibb, aka Sir Nicholas John Gibb, who served as the Minister of State for Schools a few times over in the United Kingdom, essentially the equivalent of, you know,

Arnie Duncan or Linda McMahon, that kind of role, running the schools for the entire country.

He presided over a remarkable series of improvements to the schools over there and offers a lot

of lessons to us that he outlined in his book called

reforming lessons why English schools have improved since 2010 and how this was achieved. And so

I talked to Nick, but I also have brought in my friend Doug Lamov, who, you know, not only was

the school principal and a superintendent, but has written a series of best-selling books, including

Teach Like a Champion that have revolutionized K-12 education,

but he's also now been advising sports teams, including professional sports teams and athletes and coaches

around the world, all about how to take lessons from the classroom and apply it to sports.

And he has a new book called The Teach Like a Champion

Guide to the Science of Reading, Translating Research to Reignite Joy and Meaning in the classroom. And so

Doug and Nick and I just talk about everything we could possibly learn from what has happened

in the UK. And in many ways, this dovetails with the work that we've done in New Orleans.

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