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Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine, Britain's best-selling history magazine.

I'm Ellie Corthorne.

Today's podcast guest is the historian Margaret Macmillan.

I interviewed Margaret for the December issue of BBC History magazine about her new book,

War, how conflict shaped us, which explores the long intertwining of conflict in human society and charts how warfare has grown and mutated over the centuries.

Your new book looks at a long history of war and its relationship to society, from the ancient

world to the modern day. Why do you think that it's enlightening to

examine the history of war using such a wide lens? I think the advantage of going wide is that you

can detect perhaps patterns, you can detect similarities, you can detect differences. It gives

you context and perhaps it gives us in the present a sense of humility that

we're not that unique that other people support in the purse. And I wanted to give a sense of the

long intertwining of war in human society. And I think to look through the past helps to do that.

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