We all overcome some obstacles. We all feel like outsiders at times, you know, maybe there

are a few of us who don't have any insecurities, but I've not met any. And so I think we have

to know the insecurities instead of ignoring them.

Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks

to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now it's

not often that I get to sit down with someone whose work I've studied as deeply as our

guest today, but some of the books that I recommend the most in my life that have been

life changing for all of you. When you're saying to me, Jay, what's your favorite books?

A number of them come from today's author. So today's guest is none other than Walter

Isaacson, who has been a journalist and author and professor of history at Tulane. He's

the past CEO of the Aspen Institute where he is now a distinguished fellow and has been

the chairman of CNN and the editor of Time magazine. Walter is the author of bestselling

biographies on Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein and Steve Jobs and has a new book out today

that we're called, which is called the code breaker, Jennifer Doudna, Jean Editing and

the future of the human race. Walter, I'm so excited to have you on the show. Like I

said, your biographies on Steve Jobs and Einstein particularly go down as two of my favorite

books of all time. And this one has been the most intriguing read. I was not expecting you

to do this, but thank you so much for doing the show.

And Jay, thank you for all you just said. Yeah, I mean, every word. I put the Steve Jobs

biography into my top three books of all time. Well, that's because of Steve Jobs. I just

tried to report and he's the one who led the interesting life. No, absolutely. You captured

it splendidly and beautifully. But I wanted to start somewhere a bit more wildcard. Well,

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