Hey Jim Daley here. If you like the focus on the family broadcast and haven't

grown tired of this voice just yet, you'll love my ReFocus podcast. On ReFocus I

take a deeper dive with a respected thinker on different aspects of culture. I

ask those hard questions that maybe they don't get that often and I don't

shy away from challenging topics to help you share God's grace, truth, and love

with others. So listen to ReFocus with Jim Daley on your favorite streaming app

today. Jesus entered into our suffering. He didn't say pick yourself up by the

bootstrap and get your act together. I've saved the world come you know be

you should be fine. He entered into the suffering with us and he suffered so

we would know we are not alone in our suffering right. So if Jesus got

himself could lower his you know eternal optimism you could say yeah to enter

into the places of our pain and he did it knowing that's the only way that we

could have healing then we've got to slow down to and enter into that place

with others. That's Michelle Kushat and she joins us today on focus on the family

your host is focus president and author Jim Daley and I'm John Fuller. You know

John we all think we have strong faith and then something happened something

rocks our world that changes perhaps that attitude. Maybe it's an adverse

diagnosis or an adult child who's made some choices that you strongly

disagree with because you know with your experience it's a dead end and it's

not going to help them spiritually or probably in any other way. Maybe a spouse

that's decided they're done with marriage. I mean we hear from many many people

every month and those are some of the pain points that they express to us. These

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