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The Way Out Is In

Walking the Path (Episode #99)

The Way Out Is In

Plum Village

Education, Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Self-improvement, Religion & Spirituality, Buddhism

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 5 February 2026

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to a new episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino discuss what it means to walk a spiritual path.  The conversation provides a deep and personal insight into the life of a long-term Buddhist practitioner, as Brother Phap Huu reflects on his 25 years as a monk, including the joys and challenges of living in a spiritual community; the role of a teacher on the path; the importance of finding one’s own inner teacher; the practice of celibacy; the transformations that can happen through spiritual practice; the lessons learned from 17 years as Thich Nhat Hanh’s attendant; and much more.  Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/   And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resources  Course: Zen and the Art of Saving the Planethttps://plumvillage.org/courses/zen-and-the-art-of-saving-the-planet  Interbeinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing   Plum Village Traditionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Village_Tradition  Fragrant Palm Leaves https://plumvillage.org/books/1998-neo-ve-cua-y-fragrant-palm-leaves  Dharma Talk: ‘Redefining the Four Noble Truths’ https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/redefining-the-four-noble-truths  Taming the Tiger Within https://www.parallax.org/product/taming-the-tiger-within/  Sister True Dedicationhttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/sister-hien-nghiem  Sister Chan Khonghttps://plumvillage.org/about/sister-chan-khong  Brother Phap Unghttps://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/brother-chan-phap-ung  Quotes “A good teacher is to show that each and every one of us has a teacher inside of us.”  “It’s enough of a journey to transform ourselves before we choose to transform other people.” “You’re already the person you want to be.” “A lot of us are defined by our past, and we let that become our whole narrative. But I think that Thay stepped into transforming his past and seeing himself in the present moment and not being caught in a prison of ‘what was’.” “Thay was very optimistic – not an ignorant optimism, but optimistic with the insight that there is awakening everywhere. We just have to tap into the right conditions, into the right path, so that those seeds can blossom into trees and into a garden.” “Every human being that comes into the spiritual path is different. We all have different stories, experiences, histories, upbringing. So we can’t bundle everyone into the same boat. But each and every one of us have to see and accept each other’s differences, suffering, and limits, and be patient with each other.” “When we talk about becoming a monk, we talk about stepping into freedom. And that freedom is the choice that we have made to not chase after, in our language, worldly successes. Those successes come with different layers of desires and hooks that would trap us. And the aspiration is ideal, but on the path itself, we all have to encounter our own demons within us.”  “Be beautiful, be yourself.” “There’s a saying, particularly for monastics, that, when you wear the robe of a monk, your home is everywhere. Because our home is the present moment. The present moment is our daily destination, so that is where we will never feel lost. But that is insight and that is practice.” “If we are a teacher who thinks we have all the answers, I don’t think we will really connect with everyone. We won’t connect with the ever-changing present moment, t

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0:00.0

Dear friends, if you have a deep love for the earth and wish to learn how to bring the energy

0:05.0

of mindfulness to your climate response, Zen and the art of saving the planet is a seven-week

0:10.6

online learning journey, where we as a community will learn how to cultivate insight, compassion,

0:16.9

community, and mindful action in service for our beloved earth.

0:21.6

Inspired by the timeless wisdom of Zen Master Tignan,

0:25.6

this course includes Dalmatogs and practices,

0:28.6

community sharing groups, and live interactive events with monastic teachers.

0:34.6

I'm looking forward to teaching at these live events together with my

0:38.2

monastic siblings. We'll learn together for seven weeks from 1st of March, 2026, into our closing

0:45.2

event on 19th of April. Join us by heading to the website today, plumvillage.org slash

0:52.7

ZAS, that is ZASP, and we look forward to walking on this path

0:58.6

with you. Thank you very much.

1:01.4

Dear friends, welcome to this latest episode of the podcast The Way Out is In. in.

1:26.6

I'm Joe Confino, a leadership coach working at the intersection of personal transformation and systems change.

1:28.9

And I'm Brother Fabhu, a Zen Buddhist monk student of Zen master Tigni Khan in the Plum Village

1:34.4

tradition.

1:35.0

And today we are going to have personal reflections about walking the path.

1:43.3

So we've talked in the past about what it means to find our spiritual path,

1:48.0

but today we're going to say what does it mean to walk our spiritual path?

1:53.0

The way out to this in.

2:04.8

Hello everyone. I am Joe Confino.

2:19.3

And I am Brother Faphu.

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