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TALKING POLITICS

Waiting for Boris

TALKING POLITICS

Catherine Carr

News, News & Politics

4.72.5K Ratings

🗓️ 18 July 2019

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Barring an act of God, Boris Johnson is going to be the next leader of the Conservative Party. We're exploring what that means in two parts. Today, Helen and David talk about the domestic implications.  Can Johnson avoid an election? Can he hold on to the seats he needs while winning others he doesn't have? Will he unite or divide his party? Will Labour be able to stop him either way? Plus we talk about what's at stake for the Tories in Johnson's relationship with Trump.  Next week: Europe and Brexit.


Talking Points:


What shifted to make Boris Johnson’s victory almost inevitable?

  • We need to go back to the third attempt to get the meaningful vote through the House of Commons. That was Theresa May’s chance.
  • After 31 March, the political calculus changed. 
  • If May had been able to pass her deal, there might have been more of an effort to stop Johnson from becoming PM.


Labour is now the more divided party. And the Conservative Party has united around a very unpopular leader.

  • There are some parallels to the United States.
  • The Labour remainers have been emboldened since the 31 March, but Labour also looks more divided than it did a few months ago.


Are there enough people in the parliamentary Conservative Party who would be willing to precipitate a general election if Johnson pursued no deal?

  • It’s not impossible, but this would be a big deal.


Could Johnson usher in a new relationship with the United States?

  • A lot would ride on his relationship with Trump—that’s risky. 
  • Is there anything that Johnson can say that will not alienate Trump and not alienate the British public?


The most important decision next week, if Johnson becomes PM, will be who he appoints as Chancellor. 

  • Whoever it is will likely have a lot of power.
  • What happens with Brexit will be crucial to what kind of economic policy comes next.
  • The Conservatives will need to maintain their coalition, and probably make up for seats in Scotland.


Will the opposition to a Johnson prime ministership coalesce around Labour or not?

  • Last time, the Conservatives committed an act of destruction with the social care issue.  
  • And if the next general election happens after Brexit, there will not be the same disciplining effect.
  • If Johnson can walk a very narrow path in the next 6 months (which is far from certain), he could be prime minister for a long time. 


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, my name is David Ronsman and this is Talking Politics.

0:06.6

Barring an act of God Boris Johnson is going to be leader of the Conservative Party this

0:10.4

time next week and probably that we might come onto this not absolutely definitely Prime

0:15.4

Minister. It feels like an important staging post on a journey we've been on while we've

0:21.0

been doing this podcast so we're going to do this in two parts. Today we're going to talk

0:25.4

about the domestic implications next week we're going to talk about Brexit and Europe.

0:36.0

Talking Politics is brought to you in partnership with the London Review of Books. As politics

0:40.6

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0:47.3

of a picture that includes well everything else. Read relevant pieces and subscribe

0:53.2

at a special rate at lrb.co.uk forward slash talking. When I say we're going to talk

1:04.0

about the domestic implications I mean Helen is going to talk to me about it. We haven't

1:08.6

done this for a while. I think the last one we did was on Theresa May and that was November

1:14.7

so seven months is a long time in politics. I want to start with something Helen that you said I think

1:22.6

maybe two months ago but has really stayed with me. So when we were talking about Theresa May

1:29.7

in the late autumn but even when we were talking about the state of British politics after she lost

1:35.4

the first attempt to get her Brexit deal through Parliament in January and February. The idea that

1:41.9

Boris Johnson would be a shoe in to win the Conservative leadership both with the MPs and with

1:48.6

the members. So with the members maybe less surprising but that he would clean up with the MPs

1:52.6

would have seen very remote. A couple of months ago he said we need to remember that something

1:57.0

shifted to make this possible. So in the Brexit narrative the important events for this outcome

2:03.9

must be post-Christmas because at Christmas it wouldn't have happened. And so there is a question

2:09.8

what that thing is or what those things are and did people miscalculate how did we get from there to

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