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DarkHorse Podcast

Vultures and the Public Health: The 323rd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

DarkHorse Podcast

Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying

Adaptation, Society & Culture, Science, Culture, Evolutionary Biology, News, Modernity, Natural Sciences, Politics

4.65.6K Ratings

🗓️ 30 April 2026

⏱️ 93 minutes

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Summary

On this, our 323rd Evolutionary Lens livestream, we discuss vultures, politics, and complex systems. Vultures, which have evolved multiple times (like mangroves, poison frogs, and “trees”), specialize on carrion. In India, a painkiller commonly used in people but toxic to vultures, diclofenac, came out of patent, began to be used in cattle, and the vast majority of vultures in India died. Downstream effects include the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and tens of billions of dollars...

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0:00.0

Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse podcast live stream. It is number 323. I am Dr. Brett Weinstein. You are Dr. Heather

0:14.3

Heying. We've been traveling and therefore this is our first broadcast in some time. But it's going to be a fascinating one.

0:23.4

I think so.

0:24.3

And coming back to Washington, as we did last night, it was amazing how crisp the air was.

0:30.1

We were in various places in the southeast, Florida, North Carolina, New Orleans.

0:38.3

In fact, in North Carolina, you had a conversation intended to be and has become public

0:44.3

with Jonathan Pajot and our good friend, Jordan Hall.

0:49.3

And northwest of North Carolina was extraordinary.

0:58.0

But especially in those other two places I just mentioned,

0:59.4

in Florida and New Orleans,

1:01.4

beautiful though they are,

1:03.1

there is so much stuff in the air,

1:05.4

so much water in the air that you don't really realize that you're looking through a little bit of a haze

1:07.0

and you come back to Washington

1:08.6

and things feel just crystal clear. It's like it's like a

1:12.8

film has been taken away from the eyes. Yeah, it's amazing how different it is to just look around.

1:19.7

That conversation, I should just say, I thought it was going to frustrate lots of people in the

1:23.3

audience. It frustrated a few, but by and large, people have really loved the conversation,

1:28.0

and I would recommend people check it out, especially if you want to know if God is more than

1:33.4

just a story. Well, and I think, I have not listened to the conversation that you had, but

1:38.5

the six of us, the three of you and I and Vanessa and Marti, Jordan's and Jonathan's wives,

1:49.6

all spent some time together around the time of that conversation. And I think in advance,

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