Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse podcast Inside Rail. I am sitting today with Jordan Hall and

Jonathan Pajou. Jonathan Pajou is a returning guest to Dark Horse. Many of you will remember

an episode in which we had a far-ranging conversation that the audience felt you and I were talking

past each other and there was further thought

that Jordan might be exactly the right person to translate between us as someone who understands

both our language as well. I don't think that's going to be necessary because we've been

together for several days hashing out these issues. We've learned each other's language enough that I think we can have a productive conversation.

For those of you who don't know, Jonathan, I think he would not necessarily cut into the term,

but I would say he is a religious scholar.

Is that an acceptable term?

It's acceptable, I guess.

All right.

In my book, he's a religious scholar.

He specializes in Christendom, but is broadly educated.

And Jordan is a little hard to pin down.

Jordan is one of the broadest thinkers I know.

He and I have been good friends.

We've known each other since about 2008 or nine, and he is capable of bringing clarity on

a wide range of issues. So without further ado, Jordan and Jonathan, let me just say,

welcome to Dark Horse. Yeah, thanks for having us. Thank you. It's great. Well, this is exciting.

I will say I have some trepidation.

I know from our conversations over the last several days that this discussion is going to, I believe,

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