I'm John Bachelor with my colleague Professor Richard Epstein, a senior fellow for the Hoover Institution,

teaches law at NYU and the University of Chicago, writing in defining ideas about the presidency, but we turn to the vice presidency which I

declared this is the year of the three vice presidents Richard we have vice

president Harris who is running for higher office.

We have Governor Waltz of Minnesota,

who is running for the vice presidency.

And we have Senator Vance of Ohio who is running for the vice presidency.

The three vice presidents, the most recent is the governor of Minnesota.

And I'm interested in your observation of his presentation so far and the choice by Vice President Harris.

Okay well I mean choices like this work on multiple dimensions so it's always

hard to read it but if you looked at this a month ago I don't even think the waltz was on the short list,

because nobody knew about him.

But it turns out one of the things that she prizes is a person who could land the punch on

Donald Trump and his team without getting hit back

and calling Donald Trump weird a description which has increasing credibility in the eyes of more and

more people was the thing that started to galvanize it. So that's one. The second

point is she had to worry about the control of the Senate. And one of the things that

might have doomed Kelly is if he's running for president he's not acted in the Senate

that control slips away and there have to be another election and it could

slip away even further. He's a pretty impressive guy but she didn't want to

take that choice.

She may well have been wrong.

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