Vladimir Kara-Murza: Is Putin vulnerable?
The Interview
BBC
4.3 • 537 Ratings
🗓️ 15 January 2025
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
Stephen Sackur speaks to Vladimir Kara-Murza, the anti-Putin activist who was twice poisoned, then imprisoned in Russia. He was freed in a prisoner swap last summer, and is now lobbying the West to intensify the pressure on the Kremlin. But is there any reason to believe Putin is vulnerable?
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Hard Talk from the BBC World Service with me, Stephen Sacker. |
| 0:05.6 | For my guest in this interview recorded on January the 13th, this new year surely feels particularly sweet. |
| 0:14.1 | Last January, Vladimir Karamurza was languishing in solitary confinement in Siberia, |
| 0:20.4 | having been condemned to 25 years behind bars |
| 0:23.7 | by a Russian court for his outspoken criticism of Vladimir Putin and his military invasion of |
| 0:30.4 | neighbouring Ukraine. Last summer, though, Karamurza, a dual Russian-British citizen, was released |
| 0:37.3 | and deported from Russia in a prisoner swap |
| 0:40.7 | which saw 16 individuals head west, in a deal which also saw the repatriation of eight Russians. |
| 0:49.4 | For Karamurza, who'd survived two previous poisonings and whose health was deteriorating rapidly, |
| 0:56.3 | that exchange probably saved his life. And now he's based in the US and is using his high |
| 1:03.2 | profile to lobby Western powers to intensify their diplomatic and economic pressure on |
| 1:10.3 | Vladimir Putin. |
| 1:11.9 | But the political climate in Washington is about to change. |
| 1:15.3 | Donald Trump is returning to the White House with a pledge to end the Russia-Ukraine war within days. |
| 1:22.8 | Team Trump appears intent on cutting financial and military assistance to Ukraine if Kiev holds out against |
| 1:30.6 | territorial compromise. Inside Russia, the wartime economy is showing signs of serious strain, |
| 1:37.6 | but internal dissent appears to have been all but eliminated or has it. Well, Vladimir Karamurza joins me now on the line |
| 1:46.4 | from Washington. Welcome to Hard Talk. Hello, Stephen. It's very good to be on your program. |
| 1:50.9 | It is great to see you there in Washington. You, of course, have had pretty much six months now |
| 1:56.6 | to get used to being a free man. Are you used to it? |
| 2:01.7 | Well, frankly, it still feels a little bit surreal |
| 2:04.0 | because up until just a few months ago, |
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