When I graduated from seminary, I got a tattoo on my arm with the tree of life figure.

And then in Greek, Luke 2119, by your endurance, you will gain your life.

So that's, I think, motivation to me that, you know, this life is a marathon.

But if you persevere to the end, hey, you're going to be okay.

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Our topic today is going to be really interesting, especially with all the changes going on in the

role of digital. And the fact that while artificial intelligence can get us part of the way,

we really need the human element.

And John Clements, you bring us that human element in all of your work. You are the owner of Cedar Press

proofreading. You also have a podcast, which isn't new since last time we spoke. Content creators

unite. Fantastic. So I just welcome you to your brain Amplified. I'm excited that

you're here. Yeah. Well, thanks for having me back on. I'm excited to have another conversation with you.

Same. Let's talk about your background because, again, for the listeners, for this podcast,

now I've had John on my other podcast, Media Escape, but not everybody listens to both. So you started

out getting your BA and Christian ministry. You got your master's in biblical studies, but your

career was working at Boeing, you know, at sonar equipment companies. And then now you help people create amazing content. Talk about

that journey, because those are three, it sounds like three different whole lives.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, it is three different whole lives. Yeah, I went to school to be a pastor.

That was my goal from the time I was about 15. It's what I wanted to do. So I went to college. It got my degree in ministry. I went to seminary to get a biblical studies degree. And what I learn from that experience is, and sometimes people ask me this. They say, well, if you go to seminary, don't they just, give you a job when you graduate? And the answer is no.

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