It's not so much the apocalypse as it is like the post apocalypse, right?

Because it's like if the world is going to end, then it's done, right?

And like, it doesn't really matter so much your preps.

But if it's a more slow apocalypse or a like minor one in that, you know,

most people don't die or you're one of the people who are left,

then it matters a little more like what you do now, right?

Are we yes, where are we here?

Why are we here not entirely clear?

We are misfits thrust into existence

by random chance with no hints at all

as to how we're supposed to make sense of it all.

It's immensely bizarre.

Here we are.

Hello everybody and welcome to the here we are podcast today.

Return guest, Athena,

activist is joining the show and she is Associate Professor

at the Department of Psychology at Arizona State University

and she is also the co-director of the Human Generosity Project.

I believe the last couple times she's been on, we've been chatting about cancer.

She has a wonderful book which we're going to do a whole episode about in the future

but we because we've touched on some of her cancer research in the past.

The book is called The Cheating Cell,

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