Welcome to the podcast. This is Rusty Reno in New York at the Editor's Desk.

And I have with you today as a guest on our podcast, the Editor's Desk,

Philip Munoz.

He's the Toffville Associate Professor of Political Science and Director of the Center of Citizenship

and Constitutional Government at the University of Notre Dame.

And we're here to talk about his article, his recent piece.

What is an establishment of religion?

And Professor Munoz is eminently qualified to talk about this.

He published, was it six, seven years ago, a really indispensable book of resources on religious

liberty questions called Religious Liberty and the American Supreme Court.

Am I right?

Is it, Philip?

That's right.

It's a case book, and it has excerpts of not every American church state case, but all the main ones.

And it's used for undergraduates and for law students in classrooms now.

I found it very helpful because it gets all in one place the material.

And it's really fascinating to go back and look at the trajectory of these cases.

And he's also the author of the forthcoming religious liberty and the American founding

a very programmatic project to try to get the

court on a sounder footing when it comes to religious liberty matters. Before we get going,

though, I have to make a plug for the first things spring fundraising campaign.

So all listeners to this podcast need to hit the pause button,

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