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any future episodes and leave a five-star review. Thank you. They call, they said, look, clear the yard. It started to get dark in the yard. As soon as it gets dark in the yard, the guys in the gun towers tell you, clear the yard. So we start walking in. I just get back to my block. I said, to everybody and the alarms are going off and the prison becomes a loony bend everybody's

screaming and yelling running everywhere what the F is going on? So this hack comes by me, he's got a pen, like a piece of leather that's tied to a machete, and it's dripping blood. And he runs by my thing. I had recovered a knife from somewhere. So what happened was that guy that I was talking to in the yard went in to his tear block and he stripped down to

his boxer shorts and handed out machetes.

So that's what I felt at the time I feel the same way now.

You guys got him.

You got his balls to the wall.

So we'll talk about it on camera if you want.

Yeah, I mean, we're already on right now.

But I mean, it's just chilling? Yeah, yeah. It's very relaxed. Like we'll talk about it on camera if you want yeah i mean we're already on right now but i mean we're just chilling yeah yeah it's it's it's very relaxed like we'll just start talking it and go

but yeah i mean let's get into your whole background is wild and thank you for doing this last

minute by the way you and i thank you went to florida this just popped in my inbox through

our mutual friend mark mccrane but you know know, the time that you were around was a very tumultuous time with the mafia being that you were coming in right at the end of John Sr., who you were just talking about.

We'll talk about more today.

But where did you – let's just start at the beginning.

When did you first get involved running with these crews and getting around this? And how did that happen?

So it kind of happens on its own. It evolves like anything else. I started with stealing cars and we just steal a car for a joy ride. It had nothing to do with money. No profits involved, nothing. Just do some donuts in the parking lot, ditch the car and go home. Ha ha, that was great. That was fun. Let's do it again tomorrow. How old are you? A kid, 13. Yeah, 13. And then at some point or another, we had a friend of mine who his uncle was in the body shop business, auto collision shops, and he asked, he saw us in stolen cars, and we thought we were in trouble, and instead he asked us for the parts.

So here we're off to the races.

So now we're giving parts to my friend's uncle, and eventually I started opening up sort of I guess quote unquote accounts with other shops and before you know it. Yeah, I'm 15, 16. Probably for the most part like when I really hit my stride with that was probably about 16. We were running shop shops. All the auto body collision shops. I don't know if they're still there, but there used to be a whole load of them on College Point Boulevard in Queens. And we sold to all of them. Did you ever get caught at this age? I never got caught in a car. We had a couple of really close calls with chases. I'm probably the best get a fast and furious got nothing on me. One of the best getaway drivers you ever seen in your life even at like 15 16 bro I was flying around we had a thing we we we broke into a car once and we had my friend started out with he had just gotten his license at 17 and he had a little pickup truck and we went out to get our first car that night with his pickups usually we get a car and then each stolen car we'd used to get the next stolen car so we went out with his pickup truck which was the first one and uh we're we're robbing a car and next thing you know there's gunshots it's an ex-cop it turned out to be oh. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, gunshots coming off,

you know, whizzing over your head. We're like, get the fuck out. We jumped in the truck. We're out of there. And the guy chased us for about a good, probably about a good 10 minutes before my friend had the wherewithal on Union Turnpike. There was a big center divider. and he figured out that he could cross the center divider on a truck.

The guy had like a, it was like one of those Fierro GTs or something, very low to the It was a big center divider, and he figured out that he could cross the center divider on a truck.

The guy had like a, it was like one of those Fierro GTs or something, very low to the ground back then. And I don't even know if they make those cars anymore. Yeah, I haven't heard that one. It's like a DeLorean, right? That's like an antique. So he jumped the curb, and then we literally were going the other way and we wave to him we wave to the cop

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