When you are pioneering anything or introducing new ideas to the culture, you get criticized.

You do?

Yeah. Did you hear about that?

I didn't find the one. I found someone I respected and we made it the one.

In a sort of longing kind of view of love, people understand each other as if by magic.

Nothing in itself is addictive on one hand. And in the hand, everything could be addictive if

there's an emptiness in that person that needs to be filled. I now know that nobody changes

until they change their energy. And when you change your energy, you change your life.

I'm Gwyneth Peltro. This is the Goop Podcast, bringing together thought leaders, culture

changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists, doctors, healers and seekers. Here to start

conversations, because simply asking questions and listening has the power

to change the way we see the world. Here we go. This week, we're sharing a gem from the Goop

podcast archives. I recently had the honor of talking to Venus Williams on the heels of the French Open.

It was interesting to hear her perspective on competition and to learn more about where her drive comes from.

I love the stories she told me about her childhood and the values that her parents instilled in her at such a young age.

And I had a lot of business questions for Venus about her

many ventures, which include an interior design firm, lifestyle and activeware brand, personal care

products, and even a plant-based protein company. I'm excited for you to hear what she had to say.

I'm so happy to have you on the podcast. You're so incredibly inspirational and amazing. And

you need, I think, very little by way of introduction, especially in terms of your incredible

tennis career. You're an iconoclast. You've broken all these boundaries. and you also are a fashion icon on the court,

which I love. And you started breaking the rules there. You're kind of a punk rock rule breaker,

...