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Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

Pleased to welcome back Victor Davis-Hanson, historian and classicist, host of the Victor Davis-Hansson podcast. And I want to begin there, Victor, the last time we talked, it was to talk about your book, The End of Everything, how wars descendant in annihilation. And this is really part two of that. But I want to first clarify for people like me, your podcast moved. You migrated

over to the Daily Signal, which is a great platform, but all of a sudden, I had to go find

the podcast again. Did you hear from a lot of people about that? Yes, yes. I think what happened

was we were moving for a variety of reasons,

and the former platform wanted to retain the name Victor Davis-Hanson podcast show.

So the Daily Signal had to come up with a new title,

and that confused people.

Victor Davis-Hanson, in his own words, is what they chose.

And then, you know you, there's something called the keys,

and that prior platform had them.

So we had to create new ones and a whole new thing.

And then we used that 10-day period.

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