Hey, the bird show.

So my cousin Pam, who is also my kidney donor.

I've talked about her on the air before.

It was in town last weekend for my birthday. And she told Katie and I a story that I thought was hilarious because she just looked at us and said, you know what? I actually one time went on a lesbian date and had no idea that I was. No way. Because sometimes. This happened to a guy that I know. And I'm sure it's happened to a lot of people because there's a lot of gay people who may be, you know, kind of, you know, a little cautious coming out of the closet.

They may not be out of the closet yet.

So a lot of times what you can do as a gay person is you can stealthily kind of tread the waters lightly to see if there's any possibility of any, you know, reciprocal feelings from somebody of the same sex. But you're too, but it's almost like you're safe about it. Whereas like if Jen and I are friends, I have a crush on Jen, she doesn't know it yet. So we go out. And then I consider it a date and you don't. Uh-huh. And then, I think that's happened to me before, too.

Does Jen know that you're gay at that point?

Or is Jen? I can't remember if Pam knew. Maybe she knew. I think she did know. But what had happened, they had gone out and they went out for drinks because she was like, hey, you want to go out and have drinks? and so Pam's like well sure you know that'd be great so out and have drinks. And then later on the evening, they go somewhere else and they run into some friends, which includes some guys. And so Pam proceeds to flirt with one of the guys. The guy flirts with her. And then she noticed that her friend all of a sudden became withdrawn, almost sullen, almost angry, and and then left and completely left

because it'd be just like

if you were out on a date with somebody if a straight person if you're out on a date with a girl and she starts flirting with another dude you try to be a wing woman you're like sad and bummed or whatever and you bail I'm the girl I mean she her feelings were so hurt because Pam was giving attention to somebody else and that she was interested in guys and she totally sulked and left.

And so then that's what I was. were so hurt because Pam was giving attention to somebody else and that she was interested

in guys and she totally sulked and left and so then that's when Pam's like wait a second oh my

god she was like she was interested in me yeah she's like wait um hello bulletin i'm straight

because part of her was like well but the the gay see okay look i i one of the things i may have tried this when I was 22 years old. Let's say exhausted by us straight people. She's like, okay. No, no, no, no, I'm saying the gay people. We know you're straight. I mean, they, you know, but there's, you know, people kind of see if there's any possibility for you to get a little drunk and see if anything's going to happen. And I think that's probably what you do with Pan. Because when you're taking them out for drinks,

then you're trying to warm them up a little bit

to see if there's any tendency,

you know, bisexual tendency going on. Right. But my thing is, look, there's a certain age that you can do that, and I think get away with it. And they were in their 30s when this happened. So that's, to me, that was a little old for that to happen.

But yeah, I was fascinated.

Never thought about it.

But yeah, my cousin Pam went on a lesbian date and didn't even know.

There might be people.

Listen. So that's, to me, that was a little old for that to happen. But yeah, I was fascinated. Never thought about it. But, yeah, my cousin Pam went on a lesbian date and didn't even know.

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