When his wife became pregnant with their fourth child, Greg panicked, but a focus on the family counselor put everything into perspective.

He said, the first thing you need to realize that kids are a blessing or all of the

blessings that their gifts from God and the second thing you said was kid value

relationships not stuff. I'm Jim Daly let's give more families hope. Any gift you send will be doubled at

Focus on the Family.com slash gift.

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relationship insights at focus on the family dot com slash marriage podcast.

If you look around it's pretty clear that divorce can scar a child's heart.

The trauma can carry even into the adult years, but through God's love, that pain can be transformed to a point of healing.

I'm John Fuller along with Dr. Greg Smalley and his wife, Aaron.

They run the focus on the Family Marriage Department, and the sad truth is that divorce is hurting

many children and many adults as well today, far too many.

Our guest is Lamar Tyler and he saw his parents' marriage fall apart when he was a younger child. Now

Lamar and his wife Ronnie started a blog called Black and Married with Kids and

here he is now with Focus President Jim Daly.

When you decided to get married, your friends and family, I think they rolled their eyes and

said, no, you guys got to think about it.

Why would your friends and family members say that to you?

Well, I think it just hits right on what you was speaking about a minute ago.

We meet and we've seen our own life so many people that have negative viewpoints of marriage because of what they've seen around them.

And they've seen broken marriages, they've seen around them. And they've seen

broken marriages, they've seen broken families. They themselves may have been through

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