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Hi, this is Josh Marshall and this is the Josh Marshall podcast with Kate Riga. We've got one big

story to talk about today. We're going to get to some other significant stories kind of at the

at the end of the episode. But the big story is obviously the fall of Kevin McCarthy,

which I guess it depends on where you want to start the tape running,

how shocking a development it is. But let's go back. Let's go back a few weeks. A few weeks ago

we're barreling towards the shutdown, which everybody thought was basically a certainty.

Certainly in the days, in the in the three or four days, in what seemed to be leading up to it,

it was treated as just a dead certainty. It was even treated as a bit more of a dead certainty

than kind of made sense to me. All the signs kind of did point that way, but these crises do have

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