In this episode, I have Tobana here, and coaches and consultants go to her when their businesses aren't moving forward like they should.

And she uses her unique background as a physical therapist, turned master certified life coach and business strategist to help entrepreneurs with big hearts build businesses full of their favorite clients without burning themselves out in the process or giving up on their values, which I do believe is so important.

And you're going to hear us talk about why you have to do marketing, but why minimal marketing is so good.

And how playing the social media game is keeping experts like yourself

the listener from getting clients and also she's going to break down something called the Oprah effect

which I'm excited to hear because I haven't heard about it yet but why it's her goal for attracting

clients especially if you're running your business by yourself.

Speaking of yourself, if my voice is new to you, hi, I'm the new host of the Art of

online business podcast.

It's been at the recording of this video a good five months since that happened.

And if you're curious, like, where did Rick go?

And who are you?

I got two episodes

for you in the show notes below. One is where Rick interviews me. So you can find out about me.

And Rick also shares why he brought me on as the host. I worked with him, coached with him for about

three years. And then the other episode, Rick shares about his new AI adventure and it's doing quite well

and it's quite intriguing. And you should go and find Rick and you can if you head down to the show

notes below. And also, Tavana, it's your second time on this podcast, right?

Yes, you are correct.

The last time Rick was fortunate enough to interview,

and this time it's my turn to interview you about a different topic.

The last time you talked about, where is it here,

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