US, UK sabotaged peace deal because they 'don't care about Ukraine': fmr. NATO adviser

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🗓️ 27 September 2022

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Former Swiss intelligence officer and NATO adviser Jacques Baud on the next phase of the Russia-Ukraine war and new allegations that the US and UK undermined a peace deal that could have ended it. The West's aim "is not the victory of Ukraine, It's the defeat of Russia," Baud says. "The problem is that nobody cares about Ukraine. We have just instrumentalized Ukraine for the purpose of US strategic interests -- not even European interests." Guest: Jacques Baud. Former intelligence officer with the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service who has served in a number of senior security and advisory positions at NATO, the United Nations, and with the Swiss military. Corrections: In his Sept. 21 speech, Putin did not make an explicit threat to use nuclear weapons. He vowed to "make use of all weapon systems available to us," in the event of "a threat to the territorial integrity of our country and to defend Russia and our people." On nuclear weapons, the US did not have a "No First Use" policy. On the 2020 campaign trail, Joe Biden said that he supported the idea of "No First Use." He abandoned that in his presidential nuclear posture; but that was reversing his campaign stance, not official US policy.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Pushback. I'm Aaron Mate. Joining me is Jacques Bo. He is a former Swiss intelligence
0:10.8	officer and NATO advisor. Jacques, thank you for joining me once again.
0:15.4	Thank you for inviting me to your show. Thank you.
0:19.1	It's good to see you. So what is your reaction
0:21.2	to Putin's announcement, escalating the invasion, calling up some 300,000 reservist troops,
0:29.3	threatening to use nuclear weapons if the territorial integrity of Russia, in his words,
0:34.6	is threatened? Well, first of all, we have to be careful with the wording.
0:40.0	I will come on the specifically on the nuclear weapons later.
0:45.7	But starting with the partial mobilization, actually it makes sense.
0:52.3	And that's more or less the logic follow-up after what has been
1:00.0	scheduled, I would say, in the southern region of Ukraine, and namely the referendums of
1:10.0	in Herzogne, Zaporosier, Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts.
1:18.2	If we admit that these referendum will accept these oblastas joining the Russian Federation.
1:30.3	Then that would mean that the Russian Federation will add almost thousand kilometers to the border,
1:36.3	to their border, the actual border.
1:38.3	So that means that that requires new forces to ensure the security on that border, especially in Ukraine, since you
1:50.3	have currently a war.
1:52.2	So for me, it's not a real surprise to have the need for additional manpower to this, to the current situation.
2:04.7	We also have to say, and I think it's important to say that these 300,000 mobilized soldier,
2:24.7	will not necessarily be on the front line, but are more there to support or to help supporting the forces that are actually deployed in the southern part of Ukraine.
2:33.2	So it's basically to have more freedom of movement for the Russian forces in the southern part of Ukraine.
2:47.0	But it makes perfectly sense if we consider that these referendum will probably be accepted.
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