Welcome, everyone. I'm Erin Matte here with Max Blumenthal, editor of the Gray Zone.

And we are joined by Jeffrey Sachs. He is director of the Center for Sustainable Development

at Columbia University, president of the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network, and

served as chair of the Lancet COVID-19

Commission. Jeffrey Sachs, thank you for joining us.

It's a great pleasure to be with you. Thank you.

I want to get your take on the latest in Ukraine. President Zelensky has just called for

preemptive strikes against Russia, although a spokesperson later clarified and said he meant

preventive sanctions. Biden, meanwhile, talking about the world not being in the situation of

facing the prospect of Armageddon since the Cuban missile crisis, also claiming that Putin is not

joking when he talks about the potential use of tactical nuclear

weapons or biological or chemical weapons. That's Biden saying that, although I haven't heard Putin

say any of that specifically. Meanwhile, Biden also said that the U.S. is trying to figure out an

off-ramp for Putin. My question to you is, what do you

make of this charge rhetoric right now? And do you think the U.S. is actually seriously interested

in seeking an off-ramp at this stage? Well, I take all of this very seriously because we have

a war between two nuclear superpowers. So this is a terrible situation. This is a war between two nuclear superpowers.

So this is a terrible situation.

This is a war between Russia and the United States.

The US does not have that many people on the ground.

We don't know who really is on the ground in Ukraine

from the US, but a lot of weapons are finance, intelligence.

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