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US hosts Syria's ruling fmr. Al Qaeda leader amid sectarian violence at home

Pushback with Aaron Mate

Pushback with Aaron Maté

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4.7594 Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The new President of Syria, Ahmed al-Sharaa, aka Mohammed al-Jolani, is in New York for what is widely being described as the first visit by a sitting Syrian president to the US in nearly six decades. But even more significant is another fact: it’s also the first state visit to the US by a leading veteran of Al Qaeda and ISIS. Just last year, al-Sharra/al-Jolani – the founding leader of Al Qaeda in Syria and a former deputy leader of ISIS -- was on the US terrorism list with a $10 million reward for his arrest. But after leading the overthrow of Syrian president Basher al-Assad, the US has removed that designation and welcomed Jolani’s ruling Al Qaeda offshoot government. After all, as Jake Sullivan put it at the outset of the dirty war in early, 2012, “Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria.” Because the US is on Al Qaeda’s side in Syria, that also means overlooking atrocities under its founding leader’s watch. Since al-Sharaa/al-Jolani took power, government forces have committed sectarian violence against Syria’s minority groups. In March, hundreds – possibly thousands – of Alawite civilians were massacred in Syria’s coastal regions. In July, hundreds more, mostly Druze civilians, were killed in Syria's Suweida region. The Grayzone’s Aaron Maté speaks to members of two Syrian minority communities about the ongoing sectarian violence at the hands of a ruling Al Qaeda offshoot that the US and allies helped put in power. Guests: Dr. Morhaf Ibrahim, head of the Alawite Association of the United States. Hibbah Jarmakani, a Druze Syrian-American originally from Suweida province in Syria.

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0:00.0

I'm Aaron Mate with the Gray Zone. The new president of Syria, Ahmed al-Shara, aka Muhammad

0:06.0

Al-Jalani, is in New York for the UN General Assembly. Al-Shara's trip is widely

0:11.0

being described as the first visit by a Syrian president to the U.S. in nearly six decades.

0:17.0

That's one way to look at it. Another way is that it's the first visit by the founding

0:22.0

leader of al-Qaeda in Syria since the U.S. dropped a 10 million bounty on him last December.

0:27.9

That's right. The founding leader of Syria's Al-Qaeda franchise is now receiving a warm reception

0:33.8

in the city that suffered the deadliest toll of Al-Qaeda's 9-11 attack 24 years ago

0:39.9

this month. How is that possible? Well, it's simple. Al-Shara, aka Al-Jalani, led the successful

0:47.3

coup of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad last year, the culmination of a more than decade-long

0:52.9

dirty war led by the U.S. and allies.

0:56.2

As Jake Sullivan put it at the very outset of that war in early 2012, Al-Qaeda is on our side in Syria.

1:03.8

Well, because Al-Qaeda was on our side in Syria, the U.S. has given its founding leader a warm reception since he took over in Syria.

1:12.6

Not just by taking al-Qaeda off of the terror list, but even heaping praise.

1:16.6

Here, for example, is U.S. envoy Tom Barak.

1:20.6

You have an entity that was viewed as a guerrilla warfare group that had done a good job in Idlib now takes over

1:29.4

in Syria. By the way, they've been trustworthy, they've been thoughtful, they've been considered.

1:36.6

That's right. According to the Trump administration, Al-Qaeda's ruling offshoot in Syria has been

1:42.0

thoughtful and considered. And because the U.S. has given

1:45.8

al-Qaeda a pass in Syria, this also means overlooking the atrocities committed under

1:51.1

their watch. Since taking power, forces tied to the new government have committed sectarian

1:56.4

violence against Syria's minority groups, just to take the two most notorious examples of many.

2:01.9

In March, hundreds, possibly thousands of Alawite civilians were massacred by government-tied forces in Syria's coastal regions.

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