Hi and welcome to the Automotive News Shift podcast, where we bring you the latest on automotive

technology, trends, and transformation. I'm Hannah Letts, Director of Technology and Innovation

coverage at Automotive News. And I'm Molly Boygan, tech and innovation reporter at Automotive News.

Today's guest is Jennifer Tisdale, Senior Director of Strategic Engagements for North America

at Upstream Security. I spoke with Jennifer about vehicle cybersecurity. Let's make an assumption

that we all know how connected our cars are, a modern vehicle. We have impotainment,

your Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, et cetera. But first, let's talk about the week. Hannah, what was

the team working on this week? So Lonnie Iliff, Lawrence Ayelph on our team, he wrote a story about

Lucid's sort of Robotaxy Chase. I mean, Tesla and Waymo have been in the headlines for their

robo-taxie work, but Lucid is getting in

there too with some partnerships for its gravity crossover. So it's working with Nuro and Uber

and Invidia to really establish itself in the Robitxy game, which was cool. How much of that do you

think is because Robotaxies have a clear sort of

business case, given that, you know, consumers will be paying a fare. There's the upfront cost of

actually developing and deploying the robot taxi, but then you don't have to deal with the labor

costs once things kind of get off the ground? I don't know.

I mean, yeah, I think long term that that is the understanding, the business case part of it,

right now I think that Lucid and these other players, I mentioned, neuro, invidia, Uber, I mean,

they're all, no one has it all, basically, even Waymo, like they don't have their own cars. So they're all

trying to pull at the expertise that they do have to make something that will fit that

business case. Yeah, that makes sense. And then Dave Phillips was monitoring the first month of sales

data post-EV tax credit. So what did he find? So we saw all the brands that report sales monthly,

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