Hey, Trumpcast listeners, Jacob Weisberg here. What you're about to hear is not an episode of

Trumpcast. It's a new slay show called Upon Further Review hosted by Mike Pasca. I think you

might love it and to talk about it here is Mike Pasca. Hey Mike. Hello, I was hoping it might be

a quasi episode of Trumpcast. I have a lot of thoughts about the essential consultants and the

essential nature thereof, but actually fine. We can talk about this podcast I've been working on

for weeks and weeks, which is a tie into my book Upon Further Review. The subtitle of the book

will give you hint about what the podcast is about. It's the greatest, what ifs in sports history.

So we did a podcast about that. Like sports counterfactuals. Yeah, counterfactuals is a good

multi-solubic essential consultants type way of looking at it. So the book is 31 chapters and what I

wanted to do in the podcast. So as you know, I host the jest because we're not done plugging my

products, I guess. So I host the jest and I think in one way with the jest every day, think in

audio. And then I've been working on this book for two years thinking about sports, thinking about

the written word and the streams had to cross. And I started saying some of these would make a good

podcast episode. Luckily I worked for Slate and Jacob was my boss and I'll probably greenlight it.

And so you did. And so this is what the resulting podcast is. It's five chapters from kind of

inspired by the book. It's not like reading the book. They're wholly reported or produced

chapters. It's a short limited series. But I think it will at least spark the imagination.

Well, Mike, I love listening to you talking about sports. I don't watch a huge amount of sports,

but I love a smart conversation about sports. And I know that that's what this shows all about.

I think you need to know very little about sports. This episode we're about to hear

knowing a little bit about Richard Nixon would probably help you more because it's Leon Nayfac

of slow burn and Slate asking the question, what if Nixon were good at football and other episodes

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