Hi, it's Nancy Solomon. Big news dead-end listeners. Yesterday, George Norcross was

indicted by the New Jersey Attorney General. Yeah, you remembered Norcross from the podcast, right? The other boss of New Jersey?

You don't do business on any kind of scale in Camden unless you pay your dues to the Norcross organization.

Well, that might be changing.

And we're working on a longer episode about this news,

but I was at the courthouse yesterday, and I want you to know what I heard.

Here's me talking to my colleague Sean Carlson from WNYC.

Okay Nancy, let's get right into it.

Tell us what's in the indictment.

Well, the attorney general is using RICO,

the racketeering laws that were established to take down the mob.

Basically, the attorney general alleges that George Norcross ran what he calls

the Norcross enterprise and all throughout the indictment the end of course is capitalized but so is the

E so he is the the chairman of the

nor cross enterprise and you know this is a criminal enterprise as the attorney general

puts it and that the enterprise used political power to

obtain tax breaks, to influence, manipulate, and retaliate against elected officials to coerce business people and ultimately to make money and burnish the reputations of the leaders of this criminal enterprise.

Now you've been covering Norcross, his political and business empire,

and the controversial tax breaks on the Camden Waterfront that are at the heart of New Jersey's case here.

Did you learn anything new in this indictment?

Yeah, I mean there's a lot of detail about the fight that George Norcross was having with a Philadelphia developer named Carl

Granoff. Now, Granoff held both rights to develop the Camden Waterfront and he had he had view rights.

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