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Well, greetings. Welcome to the dividing line. My name is James White. We're coming to you live from well manheim and Slovenia, actually.

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When you click the stop button, it's supposed to stop. We're coming to you live from manheim, Pennsylvania. The conference begins this evening.

I'm the opening speaker, so I've got a lot to do yet today. So I'm not guaranteeing a full hour. We might go the full hour.

But then tomorrow, I believe I'm calling correctly 3 p.m. Eastern times. I'd be noon back in Arizona on the west coast.

We will have the debate. I don't know yet. I hope to find out tonight whether the debate with Gregory Coles will be live streamed.

I'm sure the place has the capacity to do it. The question is whether the conference wants to spend that kind of money on live streaming. It can be very expensive.

I don't know. We'll find out. I hope it is, but if it isn't, obviously it will be recorded and we'll get it posted as quickly as possible for you.

And just a reminder, if you're not aware, the topic of the debate, the thesis of the debate, which I will be denying, is gay Christian, a biblically acceptable identity for a member of Christ Church.

So gay Christianity side b Christian specifically, Dr. Coles is committed to a celibacy, but also believes that he is a part of the LGBTQ community and that homosexual orientation gay identity is innate and unchangeable.

And so there you go. I could, I've got a really good idea where everything's going to be going to our afternoon, but my goal in it is a gracious but firm clarification of biblical categories and a warning to the church because man evangelical churches are just falling all over this.

Because it gives them a way out. They don't have to take the unpopular position, but that the acceptance of psychological categories of identities, sexual identities that are innate and unchanging is unbiblical and devastating to those who actually desire a fundamental change.

Now, Dr. Coles will say, I've always wanted as a child, as a young person, I always wanted to change. So that's not, that doesn't fit me.

But the point is, if you say that a homosexual orientation is like the term homosexual, but what I grew up with and it's accurate, if you tell the world that the gospel cannot change your desires,

what are you saying about the gospel? What are you saying, and this could be the example that I use to the covetous person, the person who is always, who is in a constant state of unhappiness because others have more or different things than I possess.

There are people like that. There are a lot of people like that. There are a lot of people like that. And pastorally, we deal with people struggling with covetousness, greed all the time.

So what happens when you come across someone who says, well, I am committed. I believe that God made me as a covetous person, but I simply commit myself to not acting on my covetousness.

But I'm going to live my life. And I'm actually going to say God made me this way. What do you do with that? Well, 1 Corinthians chapter 6 verses 9 to 11 says such were some of you and covetousness is specifically listed.

And so Paul believed that that could change. You were watched, you were sanctified, you were justified named Lord Jesus Christ, Spirit of our God.

So there you have what often is a settled disposition in a person's life, constantly looking at what other people have, desiring what other people have.

That doesn't mean you act on it, but that's your orientation. And Paul says such were some of you, not such are some of you.

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