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RadioWest

Unveiling the Secrets of American Militias: The Militia and the Mole

RadioWest

KUER

Society & Culture

4.7772 Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

In the aftermath of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, John Williams, a wilderness survival trainer from Utah, embarked on a dangerous mission to infiltrate American militias. Posing as an ally, Williams spent years undercover within groups like the Oath Keepers.

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0:00.0

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0:28.5

Recently, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Joshua Kaplan wrote a piece for ProPublica about his experience with a man who had infiltrated the right-wing militia movement in this country.

0:34.5

Now, it caught our attention for the obvious reasons.

0:37.2

This insider, a wilderness survival

0:39.5

trainer named John Williams, told Kaplan about the recruiting strategy and the secret training

0:44.6

and marketing operations he had uncovered. But we were particularly taken by the Utah angle

0:50.9

to the story and just the cloak and dagger intrigue and how the story played out.

0:58.1

John Williams had been ready for a while that he might possibly need to run at a moment's notice.

1:06.6

He kept a bag in his closet with everything he would need, which range from three pairs of socks

1:14.4

and some cash to lock picking gear and vitamins to these thumb drives that each held more

1:23.9

than 100 gigabytes of encrypted documents, which he would plan on quickly getting rid of

1:31.1

if he were about to be arrested or killed.

1:36.5

And on April 1st, 2023, he grabbed the bag from his closet and rushed to his car.

1:46.7

He left dirty dishes scattered around his apartment.

1:50.3

You know, you didn't know if armed men were out looking for him.

1:52.8

More frankly, if he would ever feel safe to come home again.

2:06.0

Yeah. to come home again. And he parked his car for the night in the hills outside of Salt Lake City.

2:12.6

And he recorded this entry in this voice diary he'd been keeping for a long time

2:19.2

where he

2:20.5

you know lets out this long sigh

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